<p>For me it's not just the color of the shirt, its the underlying meaning of this combination. Like with Dante, I think combining like this would really affect Venturing's identity as a seperate program. </p>
<p>Robert Karren<br>
1 (360) 990-8683</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 3, 2012 1:12 AM, "John Zantek" <<a href="mailto:john@zantek.net">john@zantek.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I think that may be a supply and demand issue. Who prefers the new green<br>
shirt to the old green shirt? With all the garment industry now overseas,<br>
it may be impossible to keep anything consistent for such a small customer<br>
base as BSA....green, blue, OR khaki.<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:crew-bounces@crew42.org">crew-bounces@crew42.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:crew-bounces@crew42.org">crew-bounces@crew42.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
Nat Walker<br>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 10:26 PM<br>
To: Don't Panic!<br>
Subject: Re: [Don't Panic!] FW: Venturing List: Proposed Changes to<br>
Venturing<br>
<br>
I definitely like the green shirts. A lot. Cant they keep the same pattern<br>
for the shirts but use a different color, rather than use different designs,<br>
as they do now?<br>
-Nat<br>
On Aug 2, 2012, at 6:58 PM, John Zantek wrote:<br>
<br>
> Here's the best chance I've ever seen for people in the "field" to<br>
> express their opinions about the Venturing Program...as it was<br>
> originally envisioned, how it's being run today, and how it could be<br>
> structured in the future. As the solicitation advises: Be<br>
> constructive and respectful. If there's something you think needs a<br>
> attention, you should explain why, and suggest a solution instead of<br>
simply tossing out a complaint.<br>
><br>
> When you do send your input, identify yourself. That adds credibility,<br>
> while anonymity does not. If you are a Venturer (youth), say so...since<br>
> your voice can better be heard.<br>
><br>
> I understand that the "<a href="mailto:411@scouting.org">411@scouting.org</a>" group is a very small group, but<br>
> filled with some powerful players. The Chair of this Task Force is<br>
Charles<br>
> Dahlquist, the previous LDS General Young Men's President.<br>
><br>
> I have spoken with a few other adults on the Task Force, and they were<br>
> unanimous in their support of the "One Oath" initiative where Cub<br>
> Scouts, Boy Scouts, Varsity Scouts, and Venturers would all use the<br>
> same Oath, Law, Salute, and Sign. Their solution to the Venturing<br>
> Uniform complaints is to put everyone in Boy Scout Khaki. Venturing<br>
> would gain Ranks. The terms Venturer and Venturing Crew would be<br>
> replaced with Venture Scout and Venture Crew or Patrol (independent<br>
> units or Crews would only be necessary if there are girls, else it would<br>
only be a Patrol in a chartered Troop...which<br>
> reduces annual rechartering paperwork. NYLT could return to Boy Scouts<br>
> only, Kodiak would be Varsity and Venture Scouts only. Varsity<br>
> Scouting, omnipresent in the West, but sparse in the Central, almost<br>
> non-existent in the NE and Southern Regions, becomes a real wild-card<br>
because of Dahlquist.<br>
> They will not make suggestions about OA elections in Crews.<br>
><br>
> None of this is cast in stone yet, even the One Oath initiative. The<br>
> latter was approved by the 10 officers of the National Council<br>
> Executive Committee, and will be voted on by the full 100 members this<br>
> winter. The One Oath initiative is presently supported by 4 Western<br>
> Region's Area 1 (the PNW) appointed Venturing adult leaders.<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:venturinglist@yahoogroups.com">venturinglist@yahoogroups.com</a><br>
> [mailto:<a href="mailto:venturinglist@yahoogroups.com">venturinglist@yahoogroups.com</a>]<br>
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:01 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:venturinglist@yahoogroups.com">venturinglist@yahoogroups.com</a><br>
> Subject: Venturing List: Proposed Changes to Venturing<br>
><br>
> Hello Venturers and Advisors -<br>
> The BSA published an announcement yesterday that it is in the process<br>
> of reviewing all of its programs, including Venturing, as called for<br>
> by the BSA National Strategic Plan. One proposed change is the<br>
> replacement of the Venturing Oath, Code, Salute, and Sign with the Boy<br>
> Scout Oath, Law, Salute, and Sign. Also, a National Venturing Review<br>
> Task Force has been formed to review the entire Venturing program<br>
> (awards, program, membership, marketing, support, training, etc.).<br>
><br>
> Venturers and Advisors are encouraged by provide comments and<br>
> suggestions to the task force by sending a message to<br>
> <a href="mailto:411@scouting.org">411@scouting.org</a>. Do you like the Venturing awards program or do you<br>
> want to see changes? Then say so! Don't like the uniform? Let them<br>
know! Have other ideas? This is your chance!<br>
> *Please be constructive and respectful.* You might consider framing<br>
> your input to the task force by answering the following questions:<br>
> 1. What is the essence of Venturing?<br>
> 2. What presently works well in Venturing that helps us serve youth?<br>
> 3. What could be made better in Venturing to serve youth more<br>
> effectively?<br>
> 4. If you could keep one thing in Venturing--something you value<br>
> above all else--what would it be?<br>
> 5. If you could remove one aspect of Venturing--what would it be?<br>
><br>
> To ensure your comments make their way to the task force, please<br>
> include Venturing in the subject line.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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