[Don't Panic!] FW: Venturing List: Proposed Changes to Venturing
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Fri Aug 3 23:01:31 PDT 2012
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On Aug 3, 2012, at 1:12, "John Zantek" <john at zantek.net> wrote:
> I think that may be a supply and demand issue. Who prefers the new green
> shirt to the old green shirt? With all the garment industry now overseas,
> it may be impossible to keep anything consistent for such a small customer
> base as BSA....green, blue, OR khaki.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: crew-bounces at crew42.org [mailto:crew-bounces at crew42.org] On Behalf Of
> Nat Walker
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 10:26 PM
> To: Don't Panic!
> Subject: Re: [Don't Panic!] FW: Venturing List: Proposed Changes to
> I definitely like the green shirts. A lot. Cant they keep the same pattern
> for the shirts but use a different color, rather than use different designs,
> as they do now?
> On Aug 2, 2012, at 6:58 PM, John Zantek wrote:
>> Here's the best chance I've ever seen for people in the "field" to
>> express their opinions about the Venturing Program...as it was
>> originally envisioned, how it's being run today, and how it could be
>> structured in the future. As the solicitation advises: Be
>> constructive and respectful. If there's something you think needs a
>> attention, you should explain why, and suggest a solution instead of
> simply tossing out a complaint.
>> When you do send your input, identify yourself. That adds credibility,
>> while anonymity does not. If you are a Venturer (youth), say so...since
>> your voice can better be heard.
>> I understand that the "411 at scouting.org" group is a very small group, but
>> filled with some powerful players. The Chair of this Task Force is
>> Dahlquist, the previous LDS General Young Men's President.
>> I have spoken with a few other adults on the Task Force, and they were
>> unanimous in their support of the "One Oath" initiative where Cub
>> Scouts, Boy Scouts, Varsity Scouts, and Venturers would all use the
>> same Oath, Law, Salute, and Sign. Their solution to the Venturing
>> Uniform complaints is to put everyone in Boy Scout Khaki. Venturing
>> would gain Ranks. The terms Venturer and Venturing Crew would be
>> replaced with Venture Scout and Venture Crew or Patrol (independent
>> units or Crews would only be necessary if there are girls, else it would
> only be a Patrol in a chartered Troop...which
>> reduces annual rechartering paperwork. NYLT could return to Boy Scouts
>> only, Kodiak would be Varsity and Venture Scouts only. Varsity
>> Scouting, omnipresent in the West, but sparse in the Central, almost
>> non-existent in the NE and Southern Regions, becomes a real wild-card
> because of Dahlquist.
>> They will not make suggestions about OA elections in Crews.
>> None of this is cast in stone yet, even the One Oath initiative. The
>> latter was approved by the 10 officers of the National Council
>> Executive Committee, and will be voted on by the full 100 members this
>> winter. The One Oath initiative is presently supported by 4 Western
>> Region's Area 1 (the PNW) appointed Venturing adult leaders.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: venturinglist at yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:venturinglist at yahoogroups.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:01 PM
>> To: venturinglist at yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Venturing List: Proposed Changes to Venturing
>> Hello Venturers and Advisors -
>> The BSA published an announcement yesterday that it is in the process
>> of reviewing all of its programs, including Venturing, as called for
>> by the BSA National Strategic Plan. One proposed change is the
>> replacement of the Venturing Oath, Code, Salute, and Sign with the Boy
>> Scout Oath, Law, Salute, and Sign. Also, a National Venturing Review
>> Task Force has been formed to review the entire Venturing program
>> (awards, program, membership, marketing, support, training, etc.).
>> Venturers and Advisors are encouraged by provide comments and
>> suggestions to the task force by sending a message to
>> 411 at scouting.org. Do you like the Venturing awards program or do you
>> want to see changes? Then say so! Don't like the uniform? Let them
> know! Have other ideas? This is your chance!
>> *Please be constructive and respectful.* You might consider framing
>> your input to the task force by answering the following questions:
>> 1. What is the essence of Venturing?
>> 2. What presently works well in Venturing that helps us serve youth?
>> 3. What could be made better in Venturing to serve youth more
>> 4. If you could keep one thing in Venturing--something you value
>> above all else--what would it be?
>> 5. If you could remove one aspect of Venturing--what would it be?
>> To ensure your comments make their way to the task force, please
>> include Venturing in the subject line.
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