[Don't Panic!] FW: Venturing List: Proposed Changes to Venturing

Fri Aug 3 10:14:15 PDT 2012

For me it's not just the color of the shirt, its the underlying meaning of
this combination. Like with Dante, I think combining like this would really
affect Venturing's identity as a seperate program.

Robert Karren
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On Aug 3, 2012 1:12 AM, "John Zantek" <john at zantek.net> wrote:

> I think that may be a supply and demand issue.  Who prefers the new green
> shirt to the old green shirt?   With all the garment industry now overseas,
> it may be impossible to keep anything consistent for such a small customer
> base as BSA....green, blue, OR khaki.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: crew-bounces at crew42.org [mailto:crew-bounces at crew42.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Nat Walker
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 10:26 PM
> To: Don't Panic!
> Subject: Re: [Don't Panic!] FW: Venturing List: Proposed Changes to
> Venturing
>
> I definitely like the green shirts. A lot. Cant they keep the same pattern
> for the shirts but use a different color, rather than use different
> designs,
> as they do now?
> -Nat
> On Aug 2, 2012, at 6:58 PM, John Zantek wrote:
>
> > Here's the best chance I've ever seen for people in the "field" to
> > express their opinions about the Venturing Program...as it was
> > originally envisioned, how it's being run today, and how it could be
> > structured in the future.  As the solicitation advises: Be
> > constructive and respectful.  If there's something you think needs a
> > attention, you should explain why, and suggest a solution instead of
> simply tossing out a complaint.
> >
> > When you do send your input, identify yourself.  That adds credibility,
> > while anonymity does not.   If you are a Venturer (youth), say so...since
> > your voice can better be heard.
> >
> > I understand that the "411 at scouting.org" group is a very small group,
> but
> > filled with some powerful players.   The Chair of this Task Force is
> Charles
> > Dahlquist, the previous LDS General Young Men's President.
> >
> > I have spoken with a few other adults on the Task Force, and they were
> > unanimous in their support of the "One Oath" initiative where Cub
> > Scouts, Boy Scouts, Varsity Scouts, and Venturers would all use the
> > same Oath, Law, Salute, and Sign.  Their solution to the Venturing
> > Uniform complaints is to put everyone in Boy Scout Khaki.  Venturing
> > would gain Ranks.  The terms Venturer and Venturing Crew would be
> > replaced with Venture Scout and Venture Crew or Patrol (independent
> > units or Crews would only be necessary if there are girls, else it would
> only be a Patrol in a chartered Troop...which
> > reduces annual rechartering paperwork.   NYLT could return to Boy Scouts
> > only, Kodiak would be Varsity and Venture Scouts only.  Varsity
> > Scouting, omnipresent in the West, but sparse in the Central, almost
> > non-existent in the NE and Southern Regions, becomes a real wild-card
> because of Dahlquist.
> > They will not make suggestions about OA elections in Crews.
> >
> > None of this is cast in stone yet, even the One Oath initiative.  The
> > latter was approved by the 10 officers of the National Council
> > Executive Committee, and will be voted on by the full 100 members this
> > winter.  The One Oath initiative is presently supported by 4 Western
> > Region's Area 1 (the PNW) appointed Venturing adult leaders.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: venturinglist at yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:venturinglist at yahoogroups.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:01 PM
> > To: venturinglist at yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Venturing List: Proposed Changes to Venturing
> >
> > Hello Venturers and Advisors -
> > The BSA published an announcement yesterday that it is in the process
> > of reviewing all of its programs, including Venturing, as called for
> > by the BSA National Strategic Plan.  One proposed change is the
> > replacement of the Venturing Oath, Code, Salute, and Sign with the Boy
> > Scout Oath, Law, Salute, and Sign.  Also, a National Venturing Review
> > Task Force has been formed to review the entire Venturing program
> > (awards, program, membership, marketing, support, training, etc.).
> >
> > Venturers and Advisors are encouraged by provide comments and
> > suggestions to the task force by sending a message to
> > 411 at scouting.org.  Do you like the Venturing awards program or do you
> > want to see changes?  Then say so!  Don't like the uniform?  Let them
> know!  Have other ideas?  This is your chance!
> > *Please be constructive and respectful.*  You might consider framing
> > your input to the task force by answering the following questions:
> > 1.       What is the essence of Venturing?
> > 2.       What presently works well in Venturing that helps us serve
> youth?
> > 3.       What could be made better in Venturing to serve youth more
> > effectively?
> > 4.       If you could keep one thing in Venturing--something you value
> > above all else--what would it be?
> > 5.       If you could remove one aspect of Venturing--what would it be?
> >
> > To ensure your comments make their way to the task force, please
> > include Venturing in the subject line.
> >
> >
> >
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